i'm a 17 year old from scotland.
can i just say this site is absolutely brilliant.
finally found people with open minds and free thought that doesn't just consist of "well the wt told me this so it must be right".. my story is that i'm just like any other child of a jw...brought up into a life of indoctrination where "the world's" thinking is automatically wrong.. that is until i was 14 - a light turned on in my head.
Welcome,
Great to hear from young people like you leaving the WT. The world needs your talent to be put to good use. Let the old and hopelessly gullible find refuge in a fantasy. The rest of us have science, technology and real world challenges to deal with, while the religious leeches take a free ride. They condemn us, but promptly take advantage of the rights, protections and benefits of the worldly system. Hypocrites!!
i had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?
but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.
that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.
disposable hero,
you have a pm
i couldn't stay away from jwn, nor could i stay away from my favorite elder.. my email to my favorite elder:.
since the wt org.
is tightening its grip on the membership at the same time it is running the organization like a business (flipping real estate, downsizing and promoting a brand name, an idol and a flag such as jw.org), i feel that membership numbers are going to be affected; my bet is downward.
DD
The 20 years refers to the last statement regarding the prophecy of 2034, which I left out:
"Whatever happens next, I am quite confident that our now disparate beliefs will move closer within our lifetimes. Just stay alive for another 20 years.... Funny, I just remembered that in 20 years from now, the fourth JW's end-of-the-world prophecy will be fulfilled (Wt. Dec.15, 2003, p.15, par. 6-7). See attached scanned copy. The math is as follows 1914 + 120 = 2034 (when the "deluge of waters" will ruin all flesh under the heavens)"
Tigersuit, 4th generation, lost generation,
Don't give up. All of you were JW's at some point, but something trigger your awakening. This elder is smart, well educated and even a well known and respected elder in the entire Hispanic district (oops I forgot there's no districts anymore, or is there?), but certainly a tough "nut" to crack. I have fun reading his responses, but also they provide awakening value for my children.
i couldn't stay away from jwn, nor could i stay away from my favorite elder.. my email to my favorite elder:.
since the wt org.
is tightening its grip on the membership at the same time it is running the organization like a business (flipping real estate, downsizing and promoting a brand name, an idol and a flag such as jw.org), i feel that membership numbers are going to be affected; my bet is downward.
I couldn't stay away from JWN, nor could I stay away from my favorite elder.
My email to my favorite elder:
Since the WT Org. is tightening its grip on the membership at the same time it is running the organization like a business (flipping real estate, downsizing and promoting a brand name, an idol and a flag such as JW.ORG), I feel that membership numbers are going to be affected; my bet is downward."By the way, compare the annual growth before the widespread of the internet, say 80's and early 90's, and the growth in 2013; quite a change. This is possibly why the WT is moving away from previous anti-internet admonishments, and heavily promoting JW.ORG at the expense of traditional JW proselytizing."
I guess, the field service training is going to be simplified even more; you will be taught only how to deliver a tract promoting JW.ORG. No longer will there be a need to learn doctrine, prophecy or Bible interpretation. The "mentally diseased" may be right when they observe that the JW's publications and meetings had been dumbed down in recent decades. In fact, I think there's sound evidence supporting this claim. Take a look at how the 1914 doctrine/prophecy is explained in the WT to the public of October and November of 2014. Compare this article to the "mentally diseased" book "The Gentile Times Reconsidered". It's the difference between night and day in every respect.
His response:
There are other explanations to the observations you have made.
Regarding decreased membership, it is to be expected. 1 Timothy 3 describes the World's people in the last days as "boastful, haughty ... not open to any agreement... headstrong, puffed up with pride". Therefore, it doesn't surprise us that our message is becoming more and more unpopular.
Second, regarding the information becoming less intellectual, this also follows the spirit of the Scriptures. At Matthew 11:25 , 26 Jesus said: "I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved." What you consider simplifying in order to control, I consider an honest effort to reach persons of all nations, many of whom need to have things broken down to more basic concepts.
Perhaps in 20 years we will be more in agreement. At the very least we can say that in another 50 years we will have no disagreements at all.
How would you respond???
i had listened to the degrading talk by gb heard (on women) & watched a video on evie bklyn channel & there was alot of interesting questions that are raised.. i had always wondered why can't women in the hall handle mics or run magazine counter etc.?
but they (if annointed) will rule in heaven with jesus.
that is a pretty heavy responsibility to help jesus rule millions of people on earth, but yet they can't pass a mic or even run the sound system in the kh.
Bible Questions and Answers Golden Age 1930, April 2. Page 446
QUESTION: Will husband and wife live together after the resurrection is completed, if both are in harmony with God?
Answer: The Scriptures do not reveal what the relationship of men and women will be after
the resurrection is completed. The most that we know is that there will be no children born
during the last 100 years of the Millennium (Isa. 65: 20), nor any born after that, because
men and women do not have children after they reach the age of 100 years. Whether the identity
of the sexes, as such, will be preserved, we do not know. There have been some well authenticated
instances in which women have been transformed into men, and it is possible that this transformation may become general and we shall all be brothers together .
i've been working on a side project for a while.
the goal of the project is to create a comprehensive database of all publications throughout history.
with this database i will be able to instantly find trends in text,sentiment of writing, methods used, and scriptures emphasized.. essentially i will be able to put a word like "apostate" into my tool, and instantly receive a report showing every time the word (or similar words) has been used in all publications since 1870.. i will also be able to create reports showing word density used in publications over time.. so i'll be able to see that the word "governing body" has increased in usage 25% year over year since 1975.. or i will be able to analyze the november 2014 wt and run an algorithm that helps to determine, what the tone and motive of the writing is.. the thing that i am most excited about is the ability to instantly find every occurence of a scripture in every publication.. this will be a great tool to find flip flops in doctrine as well as inaccuracies in biblical interpretation.. i will for sure publish all interesting findings here.. .
JWFacts
Between 1904 and 1917 (first and last year 1915 is mentioned respectively) 1915 appears 53 times and 1914 appears 174 times in the watchtower magazine. I did this research more than 2 years ago. I am pretty sure these totals include only relevant data to our study of prophecy of the end of the gentile times. It is precisely in the WT of Oct of 1917 when the writer says that Abraham did not take his inheritance in 1915, but he will take it in 1925. That must have been the end of Russell's end-of-world prophecy and the beginning of Rutherford's.
Hey Paul,
PS: I promise you will have your translation of this generation soon. I just needed a Spanish WT library. I have it know, rather old but not too old.
i've been working on a side project for a while.
the goal of the project is to create a comprehensive database of all publications throughout history.
with this database i will be able to instantly find trends in text,sentiment of writing, methods used, and scriptures emphasized.. essentially i will be able to put a word like "apostate" into my tool, and instantly receive a report showing every time the word (or similar words) has been used in all publications since 1870.. i will also be able to create reports showing word density used in publications over time.. so i'll be able to see that the word "governing body" has increased in usage 25% year over year since 1975.. or i will be able to analyze the november 2014 wt and run an algorithm that helps to determine, what the tone and motive of the writing is.. the thing that i am most excited about is the ability to instantly find every occurence of a scripture in every publication.. this will be a great tool to find flip flops in doctrine as well as inaccuracies in biblical interpretation.. i will for sure publish all interesting findings here.. .
Great job! Looking forward to the final result!
Check the number of times the words, as a group, obey/bedience/obedient/obediently/disobey/disobedience appear in the watchtower magazine (study edition) for the last few decades. I grouped the years in decades (80's, 90's, etc) and noticed that the trend since the 80's is upwards, especially in the last few years. One reason could be that they split the watchtower in two parts, the cultic and the public version. Therefore, those words were moved heavily to the cultic side. I feel that there's more to it though. My results just for 2012, 2013 and 2014 are 77,85 and 88 respectively (not including December 2014). Previous years were markedly lower.
he also talks trash about higher education .... (for those who know some spanish, view this youtube video...).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suxhx1ho_nq.
what an idiot.. .
Minute 26 of second hour: "only associate with JW's because everyone else [even well behaving, moral people] is in the hands of the wicked. Then in minute 27 warns against participating in extra curricular activities like dance and sports and meals for employees of the school. Be friendly with coworkers, preach to them, but do not become friends with them. Don't accept their invitation to have a meal, or a drink, or a weekend social gathering, even with well behaving people. They can never be your friend because they don't worship Jehovah (quotes james 4:4). Friendship with the worldly always ends up in immorality and enmity with God
[MY COMMENT: funny, all the fornication that I have known of happenned within the congregation, often wife ends up a motel bed with the husband of another sister, even an elderete with a husband's fellow elder. Fornicate, but don't lower yourself to screwing a MS or a plain publisher, keep the status]
The last 15 minutes were about preach, preach, preach. Serve Jehovah with joy and willingly.
Let's review: nothing has changed in my 22 years knowing JW's. It's still a cult.
How can people eat the "same spiritual meal" for so many years and not get tired of it?
he also talks trash about higher education .... (for those who know some spanish, view this youtube video...).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suxhx1ho_nq.
what an idiot.. .
Wait a minute, I just realized that Gary, to prove that the Governing Body loves children, said that two of the GB members themselves have raised kids. Actually, that proves that five of them never raised or have no idea how to raise kids. No wonder, they have no qualms about the pedophile abuses, or robbing young ones of their dreams and goals, robbing them of their lives. The GB members lack paternal feelings, and they have succesfully removed those feelings from many of the R and F. Let's review, it's a cult
he also talks trash about higher education .... (for those who know some spanish, view this youtube video...).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suxhx1ho_nq.
what an idiot.. .
Now that the numbers are dwindling, there is no question that a major target for the GB is children. Almost from the very beginning of the speech, in minute 6:15 of the second hour, G.L. thanks people for bringing their children, thanks children for being there, mentions that Jehovah and Jesus are happy for children being there. Then he cites the Bible regarding how Jesus asks to let children approach him because the Kingdom of heaven belongs to those that are like children (Mark 10:14), then he says "Jehovah loves children, the Governing Body loves children too"
Then, around minute 17 G.L. attacks higher education. Dangers of higer education are:
1. Time left before the end is "reduced". Higher education is not a good way to spend that time
2. Places of higher education promote independent thinking and make you look down on those without higher education
3. Pursuing higher education may show that you don't love Jehovah. You can not serve two masters at the same time
4. Shows that you don't trust Jehovah
5. Universities promote the thinking of this [wicked] system of things
Then he gives the example of a man with ocd that washes his hands 100 times a day and gets tired of it. Puts a gun to his mouth and fortunately "kills" only the part of his brain that affected his OCD. Problem fixed..."however", he asked, "would you take a similar risk by pursuing higher education, which endanger your spirituality???? etc, etc.
Parents, get your children indoors and lock your doors, the GB is looking for slaves to support their profligate lives (three gold rings!!!!)
